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Kirsch clarifies humane agent appointments
Nov 04, 2012 | 2902 views | 3 3 comments | 7 7 recommendations | email to a friend | print

Wayne Allen

PDT Staff Writer

When it comes to the care of animals and enforcing the laws to protect animals, Scioto County Probate Court Judge James Kirsch is the only one in the county that can appoint humane agents. He says the agents have citation authority and can summon people to court and answer to no one.

“When it comes down to it. the only thing that I do as a result of my position is appoint humane agents for the county. That’s it. I don’t go out and pickup horses, dogs or any animal that’s been mistreated,” Kirsch said.

Kirsch says since he has been judge he has appointed a handful of people as humane agents.

“Others have tried to be appointed. In fact, at one point in time it was pretty much an automatic thing (to be appointed a humane agent). I wasn’t to careful about who was appointed,” Kirsch said. “There were several people who were appointed who had their own agenda, about what they thought they should be doing (as county humane agents). As a result, I had to realize that just because someone came to the office and said they wanted to help, doesn’t mean I’ve got to or should appoint them.”

He said about 10 years ago he revoked the appointments of people who he thought misused their authority as county humane agents.

“It was about that time I adopted a procedure, an application form that was detailed about who I would appoint. The application includes things like furnishing references among many other things,” Kirsh said. “Since then, I’ve had one or two people apply. I appointed a gentleman in Valley Township. There was a lady that applied, that I felt was not appropriate, so I did not appoint her.”

When asked what his view of the Scioto Area Humane Society he said, “It’s not an active humane society per se. There’s a humane society that was in existence for years and years and years. That humane society is the one that’s chartered as the Scioto County Humane Society. There is another group of people who have formed a humane society in quotes,” Kirsch said. “I don’t know anything about those folks or how they are organized, if they are incorporated or if they are a non-profit. From the stories I’ve seen in the news media, they are attempting to assist.”

He said it’s fine that the Scioto Area Humane Society has appointed certain people as a humane agents.

“That does not give (a person) any authority. They could appoint half the city of Portsmouth if they wanted to. If they want to have the authority, to be a humane agent an official humane agent for the county, then I’m the one that’s got to appoint them,” Kirsch said. “At this point in time, why should I appoint any of them? Who decided that they don’t need my appointment? They are just going to go ahead and do it anyway.”

When asked, what do you say to people like that, he said, “go ahead and do what you want to, but, you’re going to be responsible for it. I’m not going to provide an insurance policy for you to stand behind. You can’t have your cake and eat it too,” Kirsch said. “If you don’t want to get the appointment from the court and you want to get the appointment from this other group, that’s fine. Let them be responsible for your actions.”

He said the authority of a humane agent has is set by the Ohio Revised Code.

“Generally it’s to help prevent the abuse of animals and also child abuse. That’s where things get really sticky. Because some of these folks want to take that child abuse aspect and expand on that and become like they are agents for children’s services and can then go rescue kids,” Kirsch said. “Their definition and understanding of what child abuse is, may not be what the law says it is. That’s one of the things that scares me about some of these folks.”

Kirsch said he does not want appointed humane agents going out and picking up kids.

He said for those appointed, there are training courses available.

“The goal of a humane agent is to get people to take care of their animals. We don’t want them going in and behaving in a manner that threatens people, we have the police for that,” Kirsch said.

He said some humane agents have the power to issue citations if they see abuse going on and issue a warrant to bring these people to court. Kirsch says he has very little contact with the appointed human agents.

“They do not report to me. I appoint them and basically that’s it. It’s not like we have a meeting once a month and they tell me what they’ve been doing. We are not organized that way, I’ve got enough to do,” Kirch said.

Kirsh said he wishes there was an active humane society, that existing human agents could be a part of and report to.

When asked who the current human agents report to, Kirsch said, “basically no one.”

“They are not employees of mine, they are just appointed by me. There really is no structure, for them to operate under, just the law,” Kirsch said.

Kirsch thinks the county does not have enough humane agents.

“We have a few people trying to deal with all of the problems in the county, it’s a pretty big deal. So, they (current humane agents) get frustrated. They are spending a lot of their personal resources on training and travel.”

He said if the human agents wanted to they could turn it into a full time volunteer position. He said given the right circumstances he is open to other people being appointed humane agents.

“People have to realize there is a process to this and it’s a discretionary appointment, it’s not mandatory. Because of some of the people we’ve dealt with in the past, I’ve gotten to the point where I am very conservative and careful about who I appoint,” Kirsch said. “I certainly do not approve of animal abuse or child abuse. I don’t want to make the problem worse, by appointing people who are not appropriate for it.”

He said appointing humane agents is an area that has a lot of frustration attached to it.

“I wish things were different, but I also wish Scioto County did not have the problems it has,” Kirsch said. “It’s tremendous the needs the county has that we don’t have the resources to properly address. Someday, we may have those resources. But, until enough people become concerned about it, I really don’t see us being able to do very much or do as much as we need to do.”

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Wayne Allen may be reached at 740-353-3101, ext. 208, or wallen@heartlandpublications.com.



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Shaun2
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November 05, 2012
I find it interesting that he says "We don’t want them going in and behaving in a manner that threatens people, we have the police for that,”

I don't want the police, who are my employees, going around behaving in a manner that threatens people either, but Mr. Kirsch seems to believe that is what they are for.
cecerides
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April 01, 2013
well to be honest a policeman does not have to threaten they have to state the laws and if a dog n cat or any vulnerable beings is being abused it is their duty to do something about it and I'm sure you saw the pictures and maybe even the actual dog there are dead ones that are decaying and one more dying a slow death so why are you not doing something about this issue there are television stations that will get involve if must be from all over the country if need be it is your DUTY to get involve you have been ask to allow someone to take him why was that denied ? now please do your duty as an officer of the law n do something I can see there is something wrong if your officer said there was nothing wrong lets look at this again please the dog is dying a slow death it has to be addressed now not later ---the 2 dead dogs should definitely be removed don't you think ? and the one dying a slow death of starving even the cat looks in need it is your duty to do something about thank you please get involve in this issue
k-wadd
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November 04, 2012
This article reinforces the impression I have had the Judge Kirsch simply does not seem to CARE about Animal Welfare, and that he, therefore, should not be the one responsible for it. At first he didn't care who he appointed...then he started restricting appointments based on whether he thought the volunteer had an "agenda" he didn't agree with. (Which I read as those who were enthusiastic and caused him extra work.) Those appointed have no authority, not organization, no direction, and no SUPPORT! (I can't even find out who they are or how to reach them.) he seems to be throwing his hands up and saying he can't do anything about it. Scioto County is one of the worst places I have ever lived when it comes to animal abuse & neglect. I grew up here, moved away after high school, and just moved home to be near my family a few years ago. I now own 2 properties here. I've lived in a number of other states & towns, but find the lack of concern for animal welfare in THIS area to be astonishing! Thank God for Dr. Counts & Sierra's Haven! But it is just not enough! I an not a member, but I have interacted with volunteers associated with the Scioto Area Humane Society. I have never heard or seen any of them try to get involved in child welfare cases, but I have seen nearly EVERY effort they make to assist at-risk animals being neglected in this area THWARTED by the Sheriff's office and Judge Kirsch. In each case, it appears to me, there has been a clear decision to protect the cruel pet owner and vilify the well-intended Humane agent. They have threatened them with legal action, rather than supporting them to protect at-risk pets. In doing this, they tie the hands of volunteer humane agents, and support abusers. I'd like to see a better process and a program than empowers volunteers to intercede for at-risk pets, and to educate pet owners with the support for the legal system. I don't know if it's laziness, lack of concern, or an innate undercurrent contempt for animals that is at play here. But it's got me wondering whether I want to remain in my hometown, or move to a more civilized part of the world. (BTW - CHILDREN NEED HELP HERE TOO, Judge Kirsch! You need to do more for THEM and for animals.)
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