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Frank Lewis

PDT Staff Writer

Wednesday morning President of Portsmouth City Council Steve Sturgill, Portsmouth businessman Andy Glockner and Portsmouth Daily Times General Manager Michael Messerly toured the former St. Mary’s School building at Fourth and Market Streets in Portsmouth.

The purpose of the tour was, according to Messerly, to begin a dialogue about moving forward and considering existing structures for future locations for Portsmouth City operations. A need to move out of the current facility on Second Street has existed for several years, yet the city has not made serious efforts to find another location for the Municipal operation of the city.

Is the St. Mary’s School Building the best place for some of the city’s operations?

“I don’t know that it is an answer, but I’m at least suggesting a solution,” said Messerly, who took part in the tour as a citizen of the city only. “If someone has a better idea or location for city offices, then people can step up and I’ll support whatever moves the city forward. However, we’ve got to stop discussions and start taking action because all the talk hasn’t got us anywhere for the last five, 10, 20 years.”

A tour of the building revealed the need for things such as a new roof, the instability of handicap accessibility facilities, and the possible upgrade of the heating and cooling system, which means the city would have to invest in those things.

“The city doesn’t have the money to build new or rehab the existing building. However, I’ve heard from a number of local business leaders that the property where the city building sits might have significant value,” Messerly said. “Therefore the city needs to get out of the way. Development of that property can spark other economic development.”

At least one local developer is waiting for the city building property to become available.

“Sure, I believe it has value. I’d like to buy it,” Portsmouth developer Jeff Albrecht said. “I think the site is a great site, and would be perfect for some first floor retail and then condominiums.”

Albrecht said one of the questions developers would ask about the current city building is how much asbestos is still on the premises and how much it would cost to raze it.

“To determine what the value would be, it wouldn’t be sold as with the building on it. The value would be raw land,” Albrecht said. “I think the way to figure out what the value of that property would be, would be to see what (real estate agent and developer) Neal (Hatcher), and the (Shawnee State) University, and other people in the area are paying per square foot for land and then multiply that by the number of square feet involved, and then deduct the cost to get rid of the asbestos and to tear the building down - and that would be the price that it would be worth.”

Albrecht sees a demand for downtown amenities.

“I feel like there’s a real demand in our community for nice condominiums for people who would like to live downtown,” Albrecht said. “And that (city building) site is ideal for that situation for myself or anyone else who might want to develop it.”

Messerly said he believes the next step should be taken by the public.

“The citizens and local private sector need to take this issue to the council and demand action,” Messerly said. “The council needs to set deadlines for getting this done. Deadlines exist to get results. The end of this year should be a deadline for plans to move out of the city building. By the end of 2014, the city should plan on being out of the building and the property available for development.”

In 2012, City Council appointed a city building search committee. The finding by the committee called for the city to raze the existing building on the southwest corner of Sixth Street and Chillicothe Street (former Marting’s building) and request the Marting’s Foundation pay for the razing of the building.

The proposal also called for the demolition of the building directly west of that location on the south side of Sixth Street (former Babcock building) for parking. It went on to recommend the razing of the former Adelphia building (which the city also owns) at the corner of Ninth Street and Washington Street and using that property to construct a city Justice Center.

Frank Lewis may be reached at 740-353-3101, ext. 252, or flewis@civitasmedia.com.



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PortsCitizen
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January 29, 2013
Raider88, I sure hope you aren't suggesting I am one of your so called "conspiracy theorists" as everything said in my posts is on the record and can be verified. If there is any part of what I said that is in question, please post it here. Perhaps something I said hit a little to close to home???
Raider88
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January 29, 2013
Dear Mr. Messerly,

By now you have learned that most of the posts left on this site are the work of some of the finest conspiracy theorists that Portsmouth has to offer. As such, I suggest you not bother by answering these folks via your own post. It will accomplish NOTHING!

Continue with your due diligence, sir. Your efforts are appreciated.

Carry on!
PortsCitizen
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January 28, 2013
Mr. Messerly, What is wrong with rehashing the past? Schools do it everyday. It's called history. Why do they teach history? So that hopefully we learn from our past mistakes. That doesn't seem to have happened when it comes to Portsmouth.

You see, before you ever came to town, our city administrators were already forming a track record of buying up buildings without listening to the people. The present City Health Dept. building, purchase price and renovation, well in excess of 1 million. The Martings building, purchase price, just short of 2 million with the proposed renovation costs originally estimated at about 5 million. Now said to be more like 8 to 15 million. The Adelphia building was to cost us around 1/2 million, with a little renovation be almost move-in ready. Then we had the former Naval Reserve building that along the way we bought and sunk several hundred thousand into.

The people was told what is now the Health Dept. building was large enough for city offices. As you can see, they were clearly wrong.

The Martings building was a fancy bail-out scheme that was a "done deal" with very little opportunity for the public's input before it was purchased. It was too big for starters, and the people did not like how the deal came down without first being asked for their input.

The Adelphia building, soon after it's purchase was found to have a mold problem that would have to be totally gutted and redone. Total cost to purchase and renovate, in excess of 1 million.

Along the way the city was offered the old rail depot building,which is where the present sheriff's department is located. Purchase price, $1. The old PHS High School, purchase price, $1. Both properties were determined unsuitable for one reason or another by our elected.

So, here we sit, for all practical purposes bankrupt, millions of tax payer dollars squandered on various buildings, some of the tax payer money illegally collected I might add. A present city building that has seen little upkeep done to it for years and years that has deteriorated to a point where it may be economically unwise to renovate.

The last thing we need to do as a city is to be buying another fixer-upper building that come with it some of the very same problems that have come into question when other locations were considered. Problems such as parking, the need to rewire for both electric and networking needs, a new roof, etc., all of which is the case with the St. Mary's building.

Solutions you ask? Are there any good ones? Until the city gets it's financials in better shape, I really don't see a solid solution. No matter what direction is taken, it's going to cost a lot of money. Money the city doesn't have.

I propose one similar to what was recently proposed by the city building committee. Let's form a list of all city-owned property to start. Even though I don't think they would go along with it, ask the Martings Foundation to release the 1.4 million or whatever the amount is, and use it to help pay for the demolition of the Marting's properties. Thanks to a recent article, we now know it's not as sound of a building as we were told it was.

Sell the Adelphia property. Sell the present city building property. Isn't that said to be a prime piece of real estate? That should fetch a few dollars.

I then propose a new building be built where the Martings building now stands. A modern, steel-framed building, big enough to house all city offices. I would also suggest the city and county work together and explore combining the two health departments and use the existing city health dept. building.

You might be wondering where the police department would be located. I would have them located in the same new building or take the following into consideration. A golden opportunity for the city and county was missed a few years ago when the new county jail and sheriff's office was built. It's not too late to still take advantage of but would take a lot of negotiating and surrendering of power. Build a new police office building on the county jail property, link the two buildings together. Within that building include 2 courtrooms for the judges. This would save money by cutting out the need to transport between the jail and courts and we could have one unified "safety and justice" center. 911 services between city and county could also be combined, like originally intended, and be yet another savings. Lawrence Co. and Ironton is doing this now.

I realize all of this takes money. Money that I've already said the city doesn't have. But really, if we're going to spend millions on renovating 80 or 100 year old buildings, wouldn't the taxpayer be getting more bang for their buck if we built new and housed everything under 1 roof? Wouldn't combining of services be in the best interest of how tax dollars are being spent? Think about the savings realized in insurance and upkeep by locating under 1 roof and using modern technology.

Ultimately though, what I believe would work best as far as taxpayer dollars are concerned but good luck in making it happen, convert to countywide government.

So there you have not just one proposal, but two. It doesn't really matter though. Until you can solve the money issue, there's no point in looking any further. I just don't see any other way of finding additional money unless taxes are raised and that is the last thing you want to do with an economy like what we have now.
PortsCitizen
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January 27, 2013
Mr. Messerly you really need to educate yourself more before you jump into this. Educate yourself on the purchase of the present City Health Dept. building next door to your offices. Educate yourself on how the city obtained the former Adelphia building. Educate yourself about the way the city came to own the Marting's building. Once you've done that, then educate yourself about the city politics since the late 1970's. The city has been offered buildings in the past. Some as cheap as $1 but the city refused them for various reasons. One building offered and passed up by the city was the former PHS Highschool. One reason given was the inability to upgrade the electrical and networking needs for modern day. Now do you not think that would also be the case with the St. Mary's School building? Another issue cited for the need to vacate the present city building is the need for additional space. Once again, the St. Mary's location I'd venture to say has less space than the present city building. Don't go blaming the people. The people of this town for years have spoken up and said what they want but the City Council members have not listened. Don't you find it a bit interesting that you have Mr. Hatcher and Mr. Albrecht, both proclaimed as "developers" but neither are interested in the Marting's land? I especially find that interesting when it comes to Mr. Hatcher since he's bought and owned 1/3 of the town at one point or another. Maybe you should offer the Portsmouth Daily Times building to the city at a bargain price. That building is way too big for your needs. At least half of that building space is no longer needed since you are no longer printing the paper out of there. I'm sorry but it's people like you that don't understand where we've been and come up with hairbrained ideas like the St. Mary's building that keep this city in turmoil.
portsmouth
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January 27, 2013
PortsCitizen,

Again, if you have better ideas, I by all means encourage you to make them known and offer them up as solutions. I'm not interested in rehashing the past, there's been enough of that, my interest is in finding solutions that benefits Portsmouth and its citizens in the future.

Michael Messerly
yojoe
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January 28, 2013
Dear Mr. M & M,

How did you get past the Editorial review. :)

I will not research the matter for detail here and who said it but remember that wiser men than you, I and all of Scioto County have said, if you don't know your history (and rehash it) you will repeat it, and they've been doing that for decades here. But it's deeper than that sir, if you would know, and you should know, what your talking about or at least admit you don't. If you do know "the deeper," you are now in the RICO's like the PDT's USDA SOGP Gampp-gate.

Since when does a local publisher, supposedly with no dog in the fight, come forward for municipal economic growth development and Operations and Maintenance? What classes was it that you took in the reporting field? Or are you just free lancing cause your east coast owner won't transfer nor retire you, he's a good and intelligent guy, sorry for your bad luck.

You been here for a while, what have you helped them out on their budget DEFICIT's you have to run a balanced budget annually, don't you? Or does your East Coast owner do that for you, too? Hah...

You want SSU to violate their 2007 master plan even further by going beyond 4th. St. and infiltrate the whole downtown, CBD, so that it's a university setting not a CBD??

That woman just put on the Scioto Foundation board from SSU is credentialed up the yahoo, and she will act like she's brain dead, watch..

Of course, they will not let this blasphemy about you though to be posted. watch........

yojoe
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January 29, 2013
http://portsmouth-dailytimes.com/view/full_story/21213714/article-Scioto-Foundation-welcomes-new-board-member?instance=search_results

Scioto Foundation welcomes new board member
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